Go N!

N!

You guys are a ravenous bunch!

GO N!!!

Torchlight ftw!!!

Torchlight for sure.

I’m going to have to try out Torchlight, but I’m definitely voting for N.

This is shaping up to be a really close match. You’re right – this should have been the semifinals or finals.

N again!

Go Torchlight!

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Go go go N! :3

N! Yay!

Torchlight all the way. Is one of the best games I have played in all honesty

Torchlight. Sorry I posted as a reply to someone else above.

N is clearly much better than Torchlight.

Ninjas unite!

Torchlight should win, I have never even heard of N and can’t find anything on it. Pick a hard enough name for google?

I haven’t played either of these games haha but I voted for N.

N is clearly the best. Just the best.

Torchlight! Though, if this is such a big match-up as it seems, it looks like I have a new game to try.

google “N game”

N is better. Period.

N is the greatest of them all

all my base belong to N

I’m playing N for almost 6 years already. You know, there are bad games, good games, excellent games. And I am sure, Torchlight is excellent game. But also, there are Games. And N is surely one of them. People was playing N when Torchlight don’t even exist yet. And they will play N when no one will remember what Torchlight looks like. So it seems pretty obvious to me, what should I vote for.

N, because Torchlight is just a stupid click game, and N is better than everything.

Umm, the first result that comes up when you google even just “n” is Metanet Software. :/

N is better than food, sex and my face combined.

Torchlight is good, but generic.

N is easily the greatest freeware game I’ve ever played.

The ‘N’atives are getting restless. Hee hee hee.

N: it’s just crazy awesome!

N is the most fun, creative, and addicting game I’ve ever played. That is all.

N makes other freeware games look like Superman 64

I played many blizz games and many others (EQI, EQII(not blizz, i know)War40K, WoW (stopped at WotLK), DI, DII, CoH, CoV, GW (anticipating GW2)AION and even runescape), but i always went back to N because it is just better.

Torchlight is fun and all, but it’s not pure, uncut gaming crack like N.

Go N !!!

Go Go N !!!

n is the best best best.

N: addictive, simple yet complex.

N will win. It is supreme.

Torchlight might as well be getting beat by pong.:P

It just has to be N. Millions of different level possabilities catering to any difficulty, nothing else can compete!

For anyone who can’t find it, download from here:
http://www.thewayoftheninja.org/n_downloads.html

Hell yeah

we have similar names. N!!

Torchlight wins with a clutch comeback.
51%-50%

What’s N?
w/e, i vote for it

No kidding. At least Torchlight is mainstream. N looks like something from a strongbad e-mail.

I respond to that with ellipses.

La la la if you have not played N it is hard to understand what is so great about it. Simplicity can be a really great thing guyz

also, haters gonna hate

Seriously?…two COMPLETELY different games. N has barely any graphics to it and is a basic flash game. Torchlight is an epic beautifully rendered fantasy RPG…this tournement makes no sense. I’m obviously voting for Torchlight….srsly why even ask. LMAO

You probably don’t know what NED is, so you couldn’t be expected to understand why N is the best indie game out there. I’m sure Torchlight is beautiful and all, but it’s probably something along the lines of fight monsters, do quests, fight monsters, do quests, next level. And hey, simplicity can be beautiful too!

Forget Blizz games. Kablizzy games, such as N, is where it’s all at.

I have no idea what that means.

Torchlight is a great game but I don’t see how it fits into this competition… By the very rules of the competition it should be disqualified on a couple counts. Most of these games are made by a couple dudes in their basements or college dorms living off pizza. Torchlight was made by a company of 15+ veteran developers who received a couple million dollars of funding from the giant Chinese publisher Perfect World, who also marketed and distributed the game… how is that indie?

So N, made in 2005 by two guys on their own dime is put up against publisher funded TL? …

Ahem. Mare is a *girl* So it’s not made by 2 /guys/. A guy and a girl.

Also, Torchlight is just plain boring, whereas N is refreshing and exciting. Also, the replayability is much much higher with N. And I played both, so this is not totally subjective.

I don’t get it..the games aren’t even similar in any way, besides being made by indie developers. I don’t get these competitions, anyways…it’s all ‘who’s fav game is better than who’s'…when the fact is, they’re BOTH great games, with great communities behind them. TBH, they both win, as well as the rest of us.

Yeah ROFL!!! Like, Torchlight is, like, the only fantasy rpg in existence, I mean, like, there are no other games remotely like it at all, since Torchlight is, like, the only game ever made that is about going underground to, like, fight a great evil beneath the surface, where you can, like, choose different classes to play as, where you can kill monsters to obtain drops and buy and sell items and, um, well, what I am saying is that is definitely in no way similar to Diablo, World of Warcraft, Runescape, or any other extremely similar, I mean not similar, game.

N on the other hand is far from unique. There are so many other games like it, like, er, that one, y’know, that game that is like it, oh wait that *is* N, but basically what I’m saying is that everyone knows that there are so many other games like N, right? And that Torchlight is by no means an unoriginal fantasy RPG that recycles overused gameplay and storyline concepts, and although reasonably fun, is really nothing new at all!!! ROFLMAO!!!!!!

Crikey, enough with the serious discussion.

N FTW.

Yeah like, why not just vote for the game you like? I mean… wtf, what point is there in trying to compare two completely different games anyways? I mean, no matter which one is better, the game with the awesomer community behind it wins anyways? Like what’s happening right now?

Torchlight will LOOOOOOOOSE!

N is like a gamer’s drug. I mean… whenever I go play something like WoW – yeah, I play that, too – I always have N opened in the background, so that whenever I “go” somewhere else, I can create a map or play another usermade level.

Haven’t ever heard of Torchlight. And even though it’s nicely rendered, you will probably play it for a while… then tire of it.

I TRIED getting out of N for a while, but I ended up coming crawling back to it like a begging dog. Pathetic… I know. It’s just a game. But damn, it’s a beautiful game. <3

Exactly. Metanet software made N in the first place.

T0rcligt r the bestest

TORCHLIGHT FTW!!!!

I lied.

N!

Torchlight was created and funded by veteran developers, yes, but it was also an indie effort when it was made. Torchlight had already been nominated (by gamers like you in our nomination process) and won it’s first competition by the time it was announced that Perfect World had acquired Runic Games.

Because of that, we decided to keep Torchlight in and not disqualify it. There was no need to muck up the tournament.

That said, Runic Games will not be allowed to compete in next year’s tournament.

Sorry if this, in any way, inconveniences you.

Does this mean you’re leaving us for the torchlight community?

Torchlight, baby.

N apparently has a really suck community. I haven’t seen any TL fans diss Torchlight, but every N fan seems to be bashing TL. And then there’s people voting who haven’t played both, which makes no sense whatsoever.

Hope TL wins though. It’s really close.

Torligt r the bestest

“At least Torchlight is mainstream.”

Er, if you hadn’t noticed, this is an *indie* games tournament :/

Also don’t judge a book by it’s cover; N is capable of producing great beauty, even if you do (for some bizzare reason) think it looks bad.

Hahahaha! That made my day (almost).
Your comments makes no sense whatsoever; “I haven’t seen any TL fans diss Torchlight, but every N fan seems to be bashing TL”.
Um, what? First of all, of course Torchlight fans haven’t been dissing Torchlight: they’re Torchlight fans; why would they? Secondly, we N fans may have been dissing torchlight, but not nearly as much as Torchlight fans have been dissing N. Maybe you could try reading all the comments here instead of just the few which correspond to your views. For example:
“Torchlight might as well be getting beat by pong.:P”
“N looks like something from a strongbad e-mail.”
“I’m obviously voting for Torchlight….srsly why even ask. LMAO”
In fact, I can’t find a single comment where the people bashing torchlight haven’t demonstrated that they have played both games and prefer N.

“N apparently has a really suck community.”
This sentence is just ridiculously hilarious. You, sir, are a tremendous wit.

I played N/ninja and I wasn’t very impressed. I’ve regularly visited newgrounds for many years now and have seen thousands of games similar to N as well, whereas I know the time and effort it takes to build a fantasy world like torchlight has…I’m also a game design student so I appreciate N as a work of art in and of itself. Just not my cup-o-tea.

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This Torchlight community isn’t especially bright
ellipsis is “…”

N four teh w1n

Our community is represented by a “O”
You fawk are represented by a “.”

O .

<3

Wow! So close…Geoff we’re going to NEED a body count on this poll when it’s all said and done. Give me some of those delicious stats!

Why do people think Torchlight is so unique and say N isn’t? I’ve seen lots of games before, and honestly, RPG’s are pretty common. o_o N is a platformer with unique physics and capabilities, especially after additional versions were created. N is also capable of looking good, without a doubt. Being one of the most creative games I have ever played, I vote in favor of N. I hope it wins!

I tried to play N several times and just really can’t get into it, though I am a 3D modeler/texture artist by trade so playing a game with barely any graphics like N just isn’t something I do very often and can’t really get into it.

Well, because it them becomes a competition not between two games, but between two communities…the fact is, niether community is better or worse than the other. We’re ALL gamers, we might enjoy different games, but i’m sure we can all agree that indie game developers need our support, and that both of these games are good games.

I prefer Torchlight, N’s not really my thing, but if it brings someone enjoyment, who is anyone to begrudge them that? I guess I just think that game competitions are kinda silly, seeing as peoples enjoyment of games is entirely subjective.

“the fact is, niether community is better or worse than the other”

Only a Torchlight fan would say that.

N will still win though. We want bragging rights. We LOVE bragging rights.

N is just more fun, innovative, and special. sorry, TL :/

Torchlight should DESTROY N. Some pathetic little stickman Flash game? I’ve seen better by ten year olds. Anyone voting for N should get their head examined – I bet there’s nothing of consequence in there.

What do you mean by that? Some generic RPG game is what you’re voting for. N, while there are other platformers, is really quite unique, especially due to the level editor. It comes with an abundance of gameplay time, like, nine months-worth, and has a competitive highscore board.

P.S. Not a stickman, a Triangleman. Yeah, two dimensional objects.

I voted for N.

A vote for N is a vote for ponies! And GLAYYYSHURS!

On the contrary, N has one of the best communities I’ve ever been a part of. You cannot describe your opinions on N just in one quick test trial, as I assume that’s what Marantz did, if anything. N’s graphics, looks and general playability were of far higher standard than any other ‘pathetic little stickman’ game I’d ever played, even two or three years ago, and these just keep improving. And the difference is that there’s an online flash version of N which you /don’t/ have to download in order to play. I’m so set on voting N that I’d rather shit on my own computer screen and get a stray cat to throw up over my hard-drive than to download the opposing game right now.

It takes time to settle into any game, and its respective community, but by experience I can easily say that /we/ have the better community right here.

better community?

The Comments here are mere Trash Talk, happens all the time in competitions. Everyone does it.

Going to the opposing community’s forum and leaving a page long explanation of how we suck is STALKING and not in the spirit of competition.

PS, “Torchlight might as well be beat by Pong” is actually Pro N.

Hajtun, i will be happy if you leave

he snipes

Okay.

When did I say you guys suck? When did I mention anybody else’s comments, along with them being trash talk? That was /my/ view of /our/ community, and it’s no lie. Secondly, I don’t believe this is your forum, nor is it ours.

Finally, when did I say anything about your community being bad, or that anybody who is part of your community sucks? I apologise if my previous comment was a little harsh, but I don’t believe I ever mentioned you /or/ your community in a negative way whatsoever.

I’m not ‘stalking’ you, as I have no intention of becoming part of Torchlight’s community. (This not meant in an offensive way, of course.)

When did I claim diygamer is Torchlight’s community?

I did say opposing community’s forum didn’t I?

I’m sorry for not being clear enough, it wasn’t you specifically.

@byky – No hate, but seriously? are you really trying to be so presumptiouis as to say that ONLY people from the torchlight community would ever say that? That’s ever so offending.

You know what? This is silly. Really guys…both the N community and the Torchlight community should be better than this. It’s one thing to say, well, I like this game better than that game..that’s fine, it’s a matter of personal choice. Competition is fine too, I guess, even tho I really can’t understand how someone can call any game better than any other game, considering wether a game is ‘good’ or not is entirely subjective. Each individual has his or her own opinion of what makes a game ‘good’ and what makes a game ‘bad’, and some games that some folks find bad I happen to like, and some games a lot of people call ‘good’ I don’t. Whatever makes you happy is fine with me, who is anyone to say that something that brings someone enjoyment is a bad thing?

So..let’s both, we the Torchlight community and the N community, be better than this. Let’s step above petty name calling and insults. There’s no reason for it. They’re both just goddamned GAMES. There are more important things in life to get upset about, and there are few things in life truly worth getting angry at someone for…certainly not a game.

And for those who think they’re showing support for the developers by being angry at others..odds are guys and gals, the folks at Runic and the folks who made N would NOT want people getting angry at each other over their game. They made these games wanting to bring people smiles, they want people to have fun with them, not argue and fight and insult each other over them, and by getting so upset that some of us fall to personal insults over it or saying this game sucks this game rules and all that bullshit is a huge disservice to them.

Show some appreciation for the folks who made the games you love and don’t turn them into a reason people got mad at each other, because you’re just taking all their efforts and pissing on them.

N rocks and so does Torchlight. They both win, because they bring fun into peoples lives, and we are all richer for having these games.

Who did you vote for? :X

This is my opinion on why Torchlight should win, as well as my response to the person who decided to come troll our forums.

Torchlight, and Runic Games, deserve to win this for several reasons.

The first reason is that after so long of getting kicked in the Pants, these developers deserve the fame and success they’ve achieved. Some people were complaining that N deserves to win because it is so unique and Torchlight already has similar games. Yes, it does have similar games, but most of those games were made by the people on Runic Games’ own team.

Diablo 1 and 2 were the products of the Schaefer brothers and several other formerly nameless people in the gaming community. Do you know why they aren’t working on Diablo 3? Because they got tired of their little company getting bought and sold, passed around like thanksgiving leftovers and never knowing who their next boss would be, so they left and founded a new company.

What happened to that new company? Oh that’s right, hostile Korean takeover. Flagship Studios had two teams, one working on Hellgate London (which had its own problems), and one working on Mythos. The Mythos team was comprised of the people who eventually founded Runic Games. This team was literally mere weeks from releasing Mythos into Open Beta testing, which is practically release as far as gamers are concerned. Right before they could do so, their publisher and primary source of funding was taken over and all the management was replaced. Instead of the negotiating, patient people they had been working with before (and some of them working with for years beforehand), they were told that their funding had been cut, forcing Flagship Studios out of business, and leaving their game IPs to default to the publisher. To add insult to injury, I’ve heard that the day everyone lost their jobs the publisher opened up their own job openings to match every position that was lost, in the hopes they could nab some out of luck programmers into unfavorable working conditions.

So what happened next? The Mythos team stuck together and founded their own company. They eventually got some funding to make an MMO, along with a publishing deal with Perfect World. That’s right, Perfect World paid them to make an MMO, not the Torchlight game that is in this competition. Torchlight is the product of this team’s need to prove themselves, and to finally have the satisfaction of releasing a game again after all these years. If they could prove that they had what it takes to make a hit game with a small budget and a limited number of developers, then the gaming world would take notice, their publisher would take notice, and they could actually have a secure future again. There won’t be any lost IP this time around, because they are keeping it for themselves.

No, Torchlight isn’t unique, but it is the most polished form of its genre in existence right now, made by the people with the most expertise. There is something to say for practice makes perfect. There are thousands of “unique” little flash games out there, and the ones that become a hit only seem to become so on accident. Is there anything wrong with Torchlight being similar to other games? Obviously not, because people don’t often complain when you give them exactly what they want, and do it better than they expected. That’s the second reason Torchlight deserves to win.

Let’s take a step back and mention the developers again. Ever since the days of Mythos these guys (and gal) have been the most open, friendly, and honest developers I have ever seen. Some companies hire a CM or PR person to do all of their interaction with the customers for them, while with this group everyone interacts. They’ll answer forum questions, respond to complaints, and even play around with you. Look at the member rankings by post count on the Runic Forums and you will find the company president has the fifth highest post count. This isn’t some aloof, better-than-you group of developers, and they don’t try to tell you what you should like either. When people complain a lot they look at the heart of the problem and actually make changes to respond to the complaints. They’ll even explain why they they do so in a completely reasonable manner. There is a lesson here that other game developers should learn from, and that is the third reason why this Indie developer deserves to win.

The final reason Torchlight deserves to win is that it has the most mature community I have ever encountered, probably because of the developer’s relationship mentioned above. You almost never see people jump in and call anything or anyone bullshit, and you definitely don’t see them jumping forums to personally attack anyone. Trolls in our community get eaten alive, to the point that they give up and leave very quickly. Instead you’ll find our community actually works together, and has extremely well thought out, long discussions with intelligent responses.

The only, and I do mean ONLY possible reason that N could win right now is because the Torchlight community is in its off season right now. We’re between game announcements and E3 has taken the attention of most of our hardcore fans for the time being. If this stage of the competition happened a month earlier or a month later when Torchlight was (or will be) on everyone’s radars there wouldn’t even be a struggle. N may have 6 years behind it, but with modding and new games Torchlight is going to be around for a long, long, long time yet to come.

tl;dr

N.

Wait wait wait wait wait, back the shit up. This is “best indie game tournament”, not “best indie developer tournament”. And uh, N is actually extremely well polished, the best in it’s genre too.

You know, I can’t speak for the Torchlight folks, but there’s definitely a layer of irony to this for us ninja people. Anyone who spends any time hanging out at the Metanet forums/ the N User Map Archive (NUMA) becomes used to controversy. A week without some sort of overblown argument about something would be an odd one indeed. I suppose I’m addressing this comment mostly to (I presume) Mr. ZiddersRooFurry here. His lengthy, impassioned speech on the purpose of games and the meaning of subjectivity is amusingly similar to the sorts of things that get regurgitated with varying amounts of weariness time and time again in our fair community. The subject is usually a particular map that one person thinks is good and makes a point of telling other people is good, but that someone else (gasp) doesn’t think is good and deserves none of the attention it’s been given. But it can be any of a number of similarly banal complaints!

I’m not quite sure of the point I’m trying to make with this, but I think it’s something along the lines of don’t take our outbursts too seriously, we are rather prone to them. I hope this doesn’t come off as too silly looking, I find I, personally, am rather prone to that.

Like Zidders said, these are two of the most ravenous communities out there, Although we’ve been around longer and had a lot longer to develop our community (And I daresay more rigorous hazing for community-goers), and plus – N is freeware, and has the bonus of having N+ being released on XBLA, DS, and PSP. It’s hard to compete with a community the size of World of Warcraft.

I see the entire community coming out for this – even names I haven’t seen in years, and that makes a Blizzy *proud*. That’s why N has won pretty much every players’ choice award it’s been nominated for.

I’m banning you from the forums. Hope it was worth it.

First of all, I totally respect Kablizzy for putting the hammer down on some people and coming over to our forums for a civil discussion. That’s the kind of talk we respect.

However, it has been admitted to that people on the N side have been cheating since the earlier rounds of this competition. If you read through the few pages on this discussion thread ( http://forum.ninjarobotyeti.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=5885 ) you can see people admitting to using multiple browsers to vote every day, and some people using Chrome’s incognito mode to vote over and over again. That calls the validity of this whole competition into question. I’ve spent the last few days helping to rally my community (who are honestly not paying much attention right now because this is our off season), twittering and posting on torchlight-related forums to get votes, and I find that people in the N community are just reloading google chrome to try to hold the lead. That honestly pisses me off.

Ok, so on the N forums they’re talking about how you can vote with multiple browsers, and they’re encouraging each other to do so. Also, it’s not just trolling N fans who are being a problem here, there’s apparently at least one mod on the N forums who went to the TL forums and flamed the living daylights out of the community. Though that’s being taken care of.

All in all, there is some serious disrespect and some serious cheating going on here. Don’t know what can be done though.

I’ve been in touch with the guys at Runic, and we’ve got some serious problems – And I’m gonna be reviewing some members of our community, and seeing what action should be taken from here on out. We’re certainly not that kind of community (Or at least, we didn’t used to be).

Also, I’ve locked the topic on our forums, and I’m keeping it up and public for everyone to see. I’ve also been in touch with DIYGamer, so I guess we’ll see what happens from here.

We could make this fair, if every community had exactly the same number of people, and everyone voted once from each community. Unfortunately this isn’t the real world.

The real world comes down to one phrase I try to live my life by, “He who wants it the worst, will usually get it.” If the N community wants it worse, they will figure out how to get it. I know for a fact that the N community has some very talented programmers in it, and I’m sure some decent hackers. I would guess Torchlight has the same talented followers as well. I’m really very surprised that a website that is devoted to just doing polls, and can charge upwards of $899/year could be ‘hacked’ so easily. I mean a monkey could figure out how to clear cache and vote again.

Also, Newton’s 3rd law of motion loosely applies here: simply put, for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. Torchlight accuses N of cheating, and believe me, N //is// cheating, but so is Torchlight. I’ve been seeing my peers cheating, but the score remains very close to 50-50%. Both teams are cheating, and if I cared about the results that much I’d say just disqualify both contestants. But honestly I like the sheer rivalry of it, cheating or no cheating. Like I said he who wants it worse should get it, so who wants it worse.

On a side-note, Kablizzy, you need to calm down. I think you’re getting worked up over nothing. Just calm down bro.

So let’s get this straight, because it has been 50-50 that automatically means both sides are cheating? That’s a pretty ridiculous assumption right there.

Pretty logic assumption too.

it´s getting hot!!!
50/50

N is *easily* the best freeware game I’ve ever played. Simplicity is king, especially when it comes to indie design, and this game thrives on it; it’s infinitely replayable, and the creative possibilities are near endless, too. It’s a perfect demonstration of why gaming was still exciting before higher resolutions, clever graphics, and complex physics engines.

It could be from any past, present or future generation of gaming, and people would still love it either way. Torchlight, on the other hand, will be forgotten soon enough.

kkstrong – Naw, I’m fine. I just take (Or, I guess used to take) pride in having the best community around. When I come back to find out that our guys are doing stuff that isn’t Metanet, it bugs me. Some of the newer guys seem to think they can do whatever they want and sully our community’s good name and all that, so I dunno. Remember my speech on Internet vs. Metanet? Everyone else on the Internet is supposed to be bad. We’re supposed to be the good ones. So, my options are tell you guys to do what you want, or come babysit you guys again. I could look the other way and not care, but that’s not who I am. Hell, that’s not who *Metanet* is. You guys are perpetually making us look ridiculous, and I’m perpetually having to set it right. Our niche used to be “Best Community on the Internet”, and now it seems that we’ve somehow been transformed into just another shitty internet community. Normally, we’d deal with things internally, but now we’ve been embarrassed on a much larger stage – In front of many other communities. And that’s still my responsibility, so I’m gonna do what needs to be done to put things right again.

Wow, 50/50, this is quite even!

“Pretty logic assumption too.”

That, sir, is what we call a logical fallacy. Namely, the Circular Reasoning fallacy.

http://www.logicalfallacies.info/presumption/begging-the-question/
“An argument is circular if its conclusion is among its premises, if it assumes (either explicitly or not) what it is trying to prove. Such arguments are said to beg the question. A circular argument fails as a proof because it will only be judged to be sound by those who already accept its conclusion.”

You are assuming that the Torchlight community is cheating because the N community is cheating, and yet the Torchlight community is still holding its own. Assumptions are not proof.

I would venture to guess that there have been well over 5,000 votes placed in this poll alone. Unless you think that Torchlight could raise such an effort of 2,500 people in just a couple of days, then I would say both teams are cheating. I think it would take a community of at least 10,000 //active// members to raise such a number of votes… Of course these figures are always guesses.

No logical Fallacy at all, nor logic. Guess. Guess based on empirical evidence. Hypothesis.

Kablizzy, if your activity in the community extended further than appearing every few months to troll and insult the rest of us, maybe you’d realise that we haven’t “somehow been transformed into just another shitty internet community”

I approve of Metanetter’s message

You Torchlight guys have been cheating? :O

You can shove your goodwill up your arse.

GO N! woooooooOOOOOooooOOOOooooo!

I specifically didn’t call out either side. In truth it wasn’t cheating since I never disallowed it. My fault.

Torchlight, I vote you.

Our main fansite gets over 3000 visitors a day right now, so yeah, it is entirely possile to raise that many votes. Heck, the mods database alone gets that, and those numbers still wouldn’t include the visits to the official site.

You’re a -massive- tool. I just thought you should know.

You can tell who was cheating if you read all the comments.

What happens in the case of a 50 – 50 tie?

That depends. Right now the results are showing 50% – 50%, but in reality it’s actually 50.46% – 49.54%, one of the competitors is leading by a few votes. If it stays like this when the contest ends, I’ll simply publish the full results that’ll show exactly how many votes each game got, the game with the most wins.

In the unlikely scenario that the two games get the eaxct same votes, I’ll extend the competition by a day again. If it happens once more, then we’ll have to figure out something super awesome to come to a winner.

What happens, still 50/50?

Oh sorry, i didnt see that previous post

Highscore competition!

N deserves to win this by a mile. Torchlight is nothign but a genric Diablo clone, and while it’s good at what it does 2 people managed more creativity in their tiny little flash game than that entire team of industry pros playing indie did with their familiar effort.

Regardless of who wins this little battle of the browsers, N wil lalways be the more unique and lasting of the two.

It’s not a battle of which game is more more unique, it is which game is better, and Torchlight is way more than a Diablo clone. There are a million little flash games on the net, but very few developers who can perfect the Diablo formula to something better. Torchlight for the win (especially now that the votes are being counted correctly)

Thanks, Slappy or Tanner. You’re good people.

Glad we got this settled quickly and without any hassle.

I…wow, alright then, as someone who /is/ considerably more active than Blizz in the community, I’m just going to call you out on that one and say that I pointed out this bullshit too.

Blizz is right.

How is Torchlight way more than a Diablo clone? It’s far more repetitive than Diablo, and it gets boring really quick (imo).

I really don’t see where Torchlight has perfected the Diablo formula.

Torchlight is more than a diablo clone? No, it’s really not. It’s a limited version of diablo with very nice presentation, but overall it’s overly familiar and very, /very/ unimaginative.

N is hugely unique, massively stylish, and squeezes more original design into its tiny frame than TL can muster with its overblown “indie” posturing.

Sorry to be so aggressive with the facts, but they /are/ the facts.

How many times does it need to be repeated: it’s totally not about uniqueness, it’s about doing things better than what came before. If nothing came before, then you have a really low standard to meet.

Also, I really like the random icons this site gives you for comments.

Yes torchlight is winning!

Allright, could be, but then again, Torchlight didn’t do any better than Diablo (what came before).
Nothing came before N, it’s unique, and still it couldn’t be improved much, because it is allready perfect as is. Whereas there’s much improvement possible in Torchlight.

N FOR THE WIN =D

Hay Guyz… Itz nawt ’bout whos game r betterer. Itz ’bout whoz community can haz more peopler.

@Izzy – that’s not fair, you know how the Metanet community is with highscores.

the torchlight community is a couple of cheaters.

Problem is I like both these games and both are dear to my heart. It makes it hard to make a choice.
I think it is unfair to chose one above the other as they are both different.
But as they say it is for fun…………………. TORCHLIGHT is my choice… retro is cool but So is Torchlight.

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N IS THE BEST! COME ON N/NINJA!

After putting much more thought into this, I’ve decided you guys are ridiculous. I’m now going to reveal the strategy you should have been using, you know Facebook… because I know you can totally message everyone there to vote for something you care about. They care enough about text-based Mafia and tamagotchi farm places. This Kablizzy character is right about Metanet, I go there like it’s a tavern and we all share stories. Then I go out and do some of my good gaming-related work, and then come back for a spell… or I just hang and do stuff at the same time. So this voting competition and I’m like hey yeah! “Everyone’s grandma should be voting” We potentially have access to nearly 7 billion people and you couldn’t stop to think of one other person to vote for the game before you pretty much multiaccounted. You can have what you want if you go about it the “correct” way, and do it with honor kind of like how I approach gaming.

-Good Day, Commander. Hailing Frequencies Open.

So N is winning and then some glitch for miltivotes and now N is losing… Gee I wonder which side it was that cheated. Take it back to 50/50 and let it go from there. If you know someone skewed the results why not make it fair again?

Calm down, my children. I voted for N.

You couldn’t be farther from the truth. There’s PROOF the Metanet community was cheating. You’ve got a thread in your own forum that doesn’t just admit to it, it ENCOURAGES it through all of the previous rounds.

Alfred you troll, go sit in the corner. We’ve already gone over this.

Aw, REALLY? You can’t play N any way except downloaded; doing it through your browser is like trying to eat steak through a straw. In-browser knock offs jerk around like crazy which is DEATH for a game that relies on smoothness and fast reactions.

@Daikenkai: please don’t think that byky in any way represents the community.

Oh no we lost !

Would it be possible to find out how many people actually voted? I’d love to find that out, because I have a feeling it;s going to be a pretty astronomical number.

Whatever. I don’t care anymore. Congratulations, Torchlighters. Good luck with the rest of the contest.

[...] day has passed, and after a lot of rallying our community has pulled Torchlight through to win the quarter-final round of the DIYGamer contest! The final score was 51.7% for Torchlight against 48.3% for Metanet’s [...]

We’ll announce the winners along with any relevant information this weekend.

Hahahaha torchlight won! ♥

Congratulations, Torchlight. We hardly stood a chance.

I guess I have to respect your decision but personally I still can’t agree with it. I just did a search and Perfect world announced that they were publishing Torchlight in April of 2009. Has this contest been going on for over a year? Technically, while they were not publisher owned at that time, the were publisher funded and that violates your rules. I mean you might as well throw Gears of War and Borderlands into the competition.